{"id":10529,"date":"2023-06-26T08:43:02","date_gmt":"2023-06-26T12:43:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/blog\/?p=10529"},"modified":"2023-06-26T08:43:02","modified_gmt":"2023-06-26T12:43:02","slug":"planning-and-preparing-for-geneseo","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/planning-and-preparing-for-geneseo\/","title":{"rendered":"Planning and Preparing for Geneseo"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Coming out of the McCook meet at Muncie (17\/18 June), I knew I had some work to do on some models.\u00a0 I had neglected repairs, etc over the winter and it showed when I went to Muncie.<\/p>\n<p>One of the models that needed work was my Caudron C.460.\u00a0 I only fly it in the Races (Greve or Combined) and only on big fields.\u00a0 The last few times I have flown it, it has been first model out of the mass launch, usually flying downward and landing in about 5 seconds after half a circuit, if that much.\u00a0 Frankly, it has been embarrassing.\u00a0 This model won the 2019 AMA Nats FAC Scale event with a max, so it &#8220;can&#8221; fly &#8211; it just hasn&#8217;t lately.\u00a0 At 50g on 88squares, it is a little heavier than I like, but when it is well-trimmed it gives a nice flat glide and is a pleasure to watch.<\/p>\n<p>So I decided to &#8220;fix&#8221; the model before Geneseo.\u00a0 One of the first things I did was to design and 3D-print a new prop.\u00a0 I have been using a carved prop, but have had so much success with printed props recently that I decided to convert this model to a printed prop.\u00a0 Archie Adamisin and I have been trading idea back and forth to create some pretty good props.\u00a0 Two things that I have suggested and we have been able to implement are Larrabee profiles and folding props.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t know that Larrabee shapes are &#8220;the best&#8221; but a) I like them and b) they seem to do as good as other blade shapes.\u00a0 As for the folders, they sure save the nose of the model when landing.\u00a0 The bigger the prop and the heavier the model the more force is exerted on the frame on landing.\u00a0 I am sure we all have had noses torn out on less-than-perfect landings.\u00a0 Well, hinged blades help reduce this damage.\u00a0 Of course, in the FAC, the blades must not fold before landing &#8211; and these don&#8217;t &#8211; there is enough friction between the blade and hinge to keep them open while freewheeling.\u00a0 Also, centrifugal force keeps them open, too.<\/p>\n<p>Here are some images of the prop, spinner backing plate, and spinner that I drew up and printed for the Caudron.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-10530\" src=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-1-1024x365.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"228\" srcset=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-1-1024x365.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-1-300x107.jpg 300w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-1-768x273.jpg 768w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-1.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-10531\" src=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-2-1024x447.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"279\" srcset=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-2-1024x447.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-2-300x131.jpg 300w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-2-768x335.jpg 768w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-2.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-3.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-10532\" src=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-3-1024x374.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"234\" srcset=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-3-1024x374.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-3-300x110.jpg 300w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-3-768x281.jpg 768w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-3.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-4.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-10533\" src=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-4-1024x687.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"429\" srcset=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-4-1024x687.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-4-300x201.jpg 300w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-4-768x515.jpg 768w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/C460-newprop-4.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Testing in the back yard showed that my Caudron was out of trim (we knew that from poor performance).\u00a0\u00a0 I changed several things:\u00a0 tail weight added, decalage reduced, and thrust settings changed.\u00a0 This was before much power could be added since my small(ish) back yard cannot accommodate big flights.<\/p>\n<p>I headed for the Cloudbuster &#8220;contest&#8221; yesterday even though the wind was supposed to increase to unflyable by mid-day.\u00a0 There was a little wind when I got there, but not terrible.\u00a0 I set my DT to 60 seconds and got to testing the Caudron.\u00a0 My initial setting needed more tweaking as I worked up power.\u00a0 Again, tail weight, decalage, and thrust all needed minor changes, but it was flying again.\u00a0 Winn suggested a small amount of weight on the right wing to flatten the attitude when circling to the left &#8211; that worked.<\/p>\n<p>I upped the power again; maybe something like 1200 turns out of a possible 2000?\u00a0 The prop pulled the model up into the wind &#8211; not fast, but gradually and purposefully.\u00a0 It seemed to be just enough power to counter the occasional gusts that threatened to destabilize the flight.\u00a0 The tip weight had opened up the circles to big-field size and the model slowly rose while going downwind.\u00a0 It got higher than expected and was very far downrange when it looked like it hit near the top a large tree &#8211; I thought I saw a flash of leaves or something indicating it was in the tree rather than behind the tree.\u00a0 Winn couldn&#8217;t tell &#8211; he lost it in the same tree, but didn&#8217;t know if it was in front, in, or behind it.<\/p>\n<p>I went to find the model.\u00a0 I crossed the airport, and then was finally at the tree on the third property, after passing through some rather dense undergrowth.\u00a0 In fact the undergrowth surrounding the tree was about 12-foot high.\u00a0 This would be a difficult search if it had not gone in the tree.<\/p>\n<p>I gave the tree a glance, then moved on past the tree.\u00a0 When planes disappear &#8220;in trees&#8221; they are usually behind (or in front), so I pressed on.\u00a0 The bushes did open up a little beyond the tree, but still, you couldn&#8217;t spot anything anywhere &#8211; it was going to be nearly impossible to find the model, especially since it was so high when we lost sight of it &#8211; it could be anywhere.<\/p>\n<p>I went back to a vantage point where I could see the tree and where I thought it went in.\u00a0 This tree was something like 80 feet tall &#8211; maybe more.\u00a0 I studied the &#8220;corner&#8221; where I thought the plane was for a time and then I saw some straight lines that looked unnatural for a tree.\u00a0 I got my phone out and zoomed in &#8211; yep, there was the model &#8211; at an impossible height.<\/p>\n<p>I went back a few hours later, after the wind had really picked up.\u00a0 The model was still wedged into the tree.\u00a0 I even took a video of how much the wind was moving the tree, but the tree wasn&#8217;t releasing the Caudron.\u00a0 So that&#8217;s where it stays.\u00a0 So much for a respectable flight at Geneseo.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-02.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-10534\" src=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-02-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"360\" srcset=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-02-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-02-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-02-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-02.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-03.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-10535\" src=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-03-576x1024.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"576\" height=\"1024\" srcset=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-03-576x1024.jpg 576w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-03-169x300.jpg 169w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-03-768x1365.jpg 768w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-03.jpg 844w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 576px) 100vw, 576px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-04.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-10536\" src=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-04-1024x894.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"559\" srcset=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-04-1024x894.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-04-300x262.jpg 300w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-04-768x671.jpg 768w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-04.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-05.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-10537\" src=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-05-1024x825.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"516\" srcset=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-05-1024x825.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-05-300x242.jpg 300w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-05-768x618.jpg 768w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-05.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-01.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-large wp-image-10538\" src=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-01-1024x775.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"484\" srcset=\"https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-01-1024x775.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-01-300x227.jpg 300w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-01-768x581.jpg 768w, https:\/\/volareproducts.com\/new2024\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/06\/CaudronLost-01.jpg 1500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Coming out of the McCook meet at Muncie (17\/18 June), I knew I had some work to do on some models.\u00a0 I had neglected repairs, etc over the winter and it showed when I went to Muncie. 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